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10 February 2006
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A Nation of Morons
I have a lot to say about the recent furore over the Prophet Mohammed cartoons which were published in a Danish paper and reprinted worldwide.

I have a lot MORE to say after the Sarawak Tribune, a major local newspaper had its license indefinitely suspended by the government for doing its job by reporting balanced, factual news.
I wrote an entry defending both sides, but I changed my mind and with a click of a button, deleted the said entry and banished my thoughts into the oblivion of my desktop Recycle Bin.
Yep. I decided that I'm not going to say anything about this issue at all.

See, I've learnt that by talking about anything remotely related to cultural and religious practices here isn't gonna help achieve anything but bringing me threats, personal attacks and ISA detentions. And so, I censor myself and shut up. Because hey, it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what the big boys in Putrajaya and Bukit Aman think right?
It's wonderful living in this country. You don't need to have an opinion, you don't need to think, you don't need to speak. You just sit on your damn asses and follow the masses.
Like sheep we are.

I always find it ironic that I a lot more Malay friends and learnt so much about Islamic culture living in Australia than I ever did in my 15 years in Malaysia. I could misinterpreted Muslim customs from time and time, and they're always nice enough to explain to me without the personal attacks.
We communicate, we compromise, we correct each other. From there, we learn.

You know what's wrong with this country?
We're ignorant. We don't know each other well enough.
Some of us are NOT sensitive enough. Others are TOO sensitive to the point where even the slightest misunderstanding is an opportunity for them to cause an uproar, wreak havoc, and force the victim into career suicide.

If you say something that inadvertently offended a group of people because you're not careful, EVEN IF THE INTENTION TO CAUSE HARM AND MALICE IS NOT THERE, you'll be shamed, locked up in jail or violently put away.
That's the problem with this country. We're too sensitive, too easily offended, too vindictive. We hardly look at things in context because we're engrossed in teaching other people a lesson. There's NO exchange of ideas, NO chance to learn, NO opportunity for compromise. Sometimes you don't even know what hit you.
You have a mouth, but you can't speak. The only time you can speak, is when people want you to duck their sicks. If you want to use your mouth for purposes other than ducking sicks, shut up.

We shut up because we don't wanna offend. We don't talk about these issues because it's "sensitive". And because we don't communicate, we don't know. And because we don't know, over time we become even MORE stupid. This in turn make us even MORE afraid to communicate, which makes us even MORE stupid.
It's a vicious cycle that's gonna continue, until the day we become a nation of morons.
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256 Comments:
first! ducking sicks!
Posted by: twinkletoes at 10 February 2006 11:25 PM | Link to comment
TRUE & WELL SAID!!
Posted by: RAY@NYC at 10 February 2006 11:28 PM | Link to comment
Fact: MAlaysians are ignorant.
Posted by: Suzu at 10 February 2006 11:29 PM | Link to comment
kalau tak cakap, hati manyak panas...kalau cakap pulak mati kena condemn...amacam lar? all gahmen say onli lar...we 'lan lan' follow...foohhh...makin cakap makin marah..kepala sakit..
Posted by: RAY@NYC at 10 February 2006 11:30 PM | Link to comment
Write on blog they suspend & threaten to ISA you. Write on newspaper, they publish your face. so that when u go out u'll kena hamtam jiat lak jiatlak. submit a sign pettition to complain dept, they kasi put in shredder. group discussion pulak they said u illegal assembly. susah lar...ape le dah jadi dengan bangsa kita..millenium baru tapi mindset lama (expired).
macamana le mau improve?? tengok tengok, belum cakap habis sudah kena kutuk...
Posted by: RAY@NYC at 10 February 2006 11:35 PM | Link to comment
This country is memang fucking sensitive over all types of issues. I can understand Muslims getting all touchy and insulted over the cartoons of their Nabi but I can't stand the damn fact that we're not even allowed to talk about it, let alone report the issue.
Posted by: Mike at 10 February 2006 11:35 PM | Link to comment
oh well, even NY Times didnt publish the caricature because it's unrelevant and not worth published at all. Freedom of speech must be accompanied by press responsibility, in this case, ST didnt have. Im truly sad that their license is suspended, because i grow up reading ST my whole life. But, i do think they need to be responsible for their action.
Posted by: day at 10 February 2006 11:36 PM | Link to comment
Poor ol' Sarawak Tribune. Now how am I going to get my daily news on what's happening in Sarawak? Borneo Post is out of the question. TS and NST's coverage of Sarawak... meh.
You can find me crying in my room. Adios!
Posted by: NSDS3HvLDjJd at 10 February 2006 11:38 PM | Link to comment
yeah la. wad LJ... talk about democracy. hahahah bullshit la freedom of speech my ass.
doesn't anyone figure out why the extremists, preaching a religion of peace, react with violence?
i mean, i've seen the chch's and crucifix being defaced but... yeah wadever.
touchy subject. cannot say in malaysia. bad bad.
Posted by: clay at 10 February 2006 11:39 PM | Link to comment
freedom of speech? my ass. when it comes to malay and muslim issues, its a national issue, but when it comes to chinese and indian problems, its not an issue.
it is so hard to apply for a permit to build new churches and temples. That is why most of these churches and temples are located at shop lots.
Posted by: calvin at 10 February 2006 11:53 PM | Link to comment
sadly, i think we already *are* living in a country of morons.
:(
Posted by: Zemien at 10 February 2006 11:57 PM | Link to comment
Very well said. This really is a vicios cycle that will continue for a long long time unless someone with enough guts and pwoer to make a change speaks up. If this "sensitive issues" thing remains then Malaysia will never improve as a nation.
Posted by: yik wen at 10 February 2006 11:57 PM | Link to comment
From reading all the blogs that have spoken on this issue, i think i like your take on this issue.
Posted by: eksk at 10 February 2006 11:59 PM | Link to comment
u think msia is bad in these respects. well u havent seen brunei. :P
Posted by: met at 11 February 2006 12:03 AM | Link to comment
very sad. even sadder when it occurs to your homegrown newspaper company
Posted by: oink at 11 February 2006 12:05 AM | Link to comment
Well, its a fact known long ago!! The ISA is a golden key for those ppl to do whatever shit they want, and we, have to live within the potty... No wonder ppl r running away from this country... Any regret for choosing to stay in this country, kenny?
Posted by: zhen at 11 February 2006 12:05 AM | Link to comment
WELL SAID. GOOD BYE ST. HELLO MORON COUNTRY WHO ISA EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT EVEN RELEVANT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. SO, BECAUSE OF THE ARTICLE AND THE CARTOON, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IS THREATENED MEH? NEED TO SUSPEND LICENSE AND SHUT DOWN NEWSPAPER KAH? WAKE UP LA, LOOK INTO THE MIRROR, BE OPEN MINDED. IT WA SJUST AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE CAROON ISSUE. ITS NOT EVEN INSULTING THE RELIGION IN MALAYSIA. MAYBE JUST WANT TO JOIN IN THE FUN OF MAKING IT BIG LIKE IN LEBANON.
Posted by: Perth at 11 February 2006 12:09 AM | Link to comment
something has to be done by EVERYONE. do you think the isa can take down the entire rakyat when united?
Posted by: jerm at 11 February 2006 12:12 AM | Link to comment
How brutally honest. I agree with this post through and through.
There are too many restrictions. If only ppl can be more open-minded, then we can learn from constructive criticisms/exchange of ideas.
It IS insulting, those caricatures. But I'm sure when ppl read about the news, they'd WANT to know what the pictures are. Its an international news for goodness' sakes, something which might go down in the books of history because its sparked so much trouble/riots.
And ppl in Msia don't get to see what the very pictures that sparked the whole furore?
How sad.
'because we don't communicate, we don't know. And because we don't know, over time, we become even MORE stupid. This in turn make us even MORE afraid to communicate, which in turn makes us even MORE stupid.'
Again, how sad.
Reading this post just a day after I've had my say of the consequences of the Msian Censorship board. Haha..
Posted by: babelicious69 at 11 February 2006 12:13 AM | Link to comment
truly agree with what you said there.
racial issues in this country has been going on for a long time, wayy before independence day.
[some text removed]
it is just a small picture. an apology is probably enough for the people. one of the editors resigned, didnt he? isn't that enough? now one of sarawak's best daily is closed down. who else will keep the people informed of the happenings around the world?
it's not a good thing for the country.
Posted by: lys at 11 February 2006 12:25 AM | Link to comment
well, its all depends on how u ask... i ask few muslim in fact, what they think on issues like this.. as long as i tell them "i have no intention harming anything or bring up sensitive stuff..", ppl will understand... when comes to religion, we do not doubt what they believe, but we can ask question regarding it.. its matter how u ask.. so long u have any question, just ask, but dont judge anything... but 1 thing for sure, every centuries long religion, but different language, are telling the same thing.. its called love, honest and respect... buddha, jesus and prophet are messenger of god, they only telling story in different languages and ways.. all religion are same.. or i should put it this way: all religion answers the same good, in different ways... which religion doesnt promote love?
so the correct question. no point arguing, it will not bring us anywhere but in deeper shit, and more fighting.. when you are fighting, u have no right saying u representing a religion... u only disgrace your religion.. so, please no fight, try to understand...
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 12:30 AM | Link to comment
Man...this is sad...
I've been through some of this s***
people were too sensitive
and make a big fuss out of a small thing and when you sit back and look at the past, it was nothing but ignorance and stupidity.
Posted by: Mike T at 11 February 2006 12:36 AM | Link to comment
Well why don't you take your OWN advice and publish your own views? Why don't you break out of the moron behaviour and change the cycle? Why can't it start with you? Lots of rhetoric but no ACTION!
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 12:37 AM | Link to comment
the most potent display of malaysian stupidity ever to grace our headlines. this is indeed very disturbing to know that you get fcuked for practicing freedom of speech. No wonder many of my friends with high flying careers decided to stay in other countries. with all the smart people gone, this country will succumb to oblivion.
Posted by: ruffledsubstratum at 11 February 2006 12:41 AM | Link to comment
At some point, I think the reason they being so sensitive about it and start to take harsh action on those who voice things out is because they do not have solid facts to support them, they are speechless and they know what other ppl say make sense. So to protect them from kena flame, quarantine, kick out of country, torture in kandang to those with mouth to talk.
Posted by: raymond at 11 February 2006 12:41 AM | Link to comment
well, i agree that malaysia has its own problem... but lets face it, who are to judge ur own country? how u judge it? compare with other countries? fact is: every country has it's bad side... no country is perfect.. so dont compare, its useless... its our bad habit to compare and compete... just do the best u can for ur family and for your country! y talk cock?
btw, i dont think they should react in that way (not to say they shouldnt react..), but they themselves(the angry guys and the artist) both do not know how prophet looks like! since both side do not know the ACTUAL and SOLID answer, base on what they get upset about?
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 12:46 AM | Link to comment
Anonymous, why don't you ask the big boys in Putrajaya and Bukit Aman.
Posted by: kennysia
at 11 February 2006
12:47 AM | Link to comment
I should emphasise that I am not talking about what's happening in Denmark. I'm talking about our over-reaction to "sensitive issues" in this country.
Posted by: kennysia
at 11 February 2006
12:49 AM | Link to comment
says a lot on why i don't touch the newspapers in malaysia when i go back for visits. it's disappointing to think that information have been filtered. defeats the purpose.
Posted by: reese at 11 February 2006 12:51 AM | Link to comment
And the boys in Bukit Aman will ask you to do the "nude-squat"!...:P
Posted by: ruffledsubstratum at 11 February 2006 12:53 AM | Link to comment
yeah man.. i dont waan see tomorrow's headlines with kenny doing "nude-squat".. it will take whole fronpage to show's kenny's fun stuff man..
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 1:03 AM | Link to comment
Adrian,
You're saying it's a bad habit to compare and compete? Without comparing, how can a country improve? It's the rivarly spirit that keeps a country moving forward. If say our country is THE ONLY country in this world, how do we measure ourselves? And what has this issue gotta do with competing?
Also, Muslims are sensitive when it comes to their holy prophets being caricatured in any form, let alone when the Dennish depicted it in THAT form (bomb on head). So it doesn't matter whether both sides knew the solid answer, just as long as someone caricatured it (in a good or bad way) they get heated up.
Btw, Kenny, good post you have there. I agree with you that our country lacks freedom of speech. I guess Anonymous clearly did not get the WHOLE point of ur post.
Posted by: JA at 11 February 2006 1:19 AM | Link to comment
Haha...speaking of free country definition, sigh...anyway, great point of view, Ken.
Posted by: KenJJ at 11 February 2006 1:31 AM | Link to comment
we are in a semi-communist country if u didn't realize hehe!
Posted by: har har har at 11 February 2006 1:32 AM | Link to comment
hmm. u r right JA.. i guess i should say "complain".. "stop complaining what do what you should do for ur family and country.."
and the artist has crossed the line way too far.. they should learn to be respect before even becoming artist.. but what for becoming artist u cant draw things that u like? especially they draw these just to make ppl laugh at... those artist just dont get it...
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 1:34 AM | Link to comment
haha..I cant stop laughing at Anonymous' comment! Found it hilarious for some reason. I mean, to put that up after having read that post?
No offence though!
Posted by: babelicious69 at 11 February 2006 1:40 AM | Link to comment
Not all cartoons are there to make people laugh. Some cartoons are there to make people THINK.
Posted by: kennysia
at 11 February 2006
1:55 AM | Link to comment
Hey, Kenny, I understand wat u mean.
I think it is no about religious, cultural and races, it is all about political.
Do u know there are a part of extremly consevertive MPs in the Parlimen? Their power is there, even PM oso has to see their face to maintain his authority in UMNO. I think this can explain to u y the muslims can apply permit to build mosque like piece of cake. Y Malay can hv alot of benefit from gov.
I study in Malay secondary,i hv a lot of Malay friends, i quite understanding wat malay nowadays thinking about.
I think ST license suspended is a must action to be taken by gov to prevent kacau bilau in Parliment , prevent bising from those consevertive people(MP and rakyat) and hand -offs the issue in Malaysia.(Ask those conservertive people: puas ke tidak? )
But something hv to be noticed by us,Malay is getting improve some of them is getting open-minded, they really can accept those sensitive issue. This is the Malay nowadays , however for those who play the conservative rule in parlimen are no the new gen malay.
This is no the issue that we say:"Oooi ... chance larrr.. cant like that ler.." Then the gov will chance.
We hv to wait, coz we are no the majority power in parliment. Even PM oso cant chance their mins, he can scold them , he can educate them, he juz cant ignore the power. Later they will "refomasi", then ISA comes, then people complain......
By time to go, the conserative group will be gone.Yes we hv to wait, Kenny. Coz politic playing the rukes now.
Posted by: Alienadi at 11 February 2006 1:59 AM | Link to comment
i have to agree with your post.
freedom of speech is very limited here. amazing how its considered a form of freedom.
Posted by: Michelle at 11 February 2006 2:08 AM | Link to comment
word.. THINK.. didnt see that coming..
well, it is us that elected those guys.. have to go with thier dicision..
still long way to go for this country.. cant wait to see 40 years later!! hopefuly they dont legalise guns like other country... "dont do guns, do drugs!" it will cool when u can finally smoke weed openly, expecially with your son.. "pass me the smokey, boy.."
lets stop talk bout this man.. the damage has been done and theres nothing much we can do... lets talk bout footballs and porns!
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 2:13 AM | Link to comment
Well, this comes to the balancing act between freedom of speech and civil unrest ain't it ?
Posted by: Bryan at 11 February 2006 2:19 AM | Link to comment
Sarawak Tribune has printing plants in Kuching, Bintulu and Sibu and it employs more than 300 people (I read from a reliable source). Because of the careless action of the publisher and the over-sensitiveness of 'some people', 300 innocent people have to be punished? Isn't that unfair?
There's not much point arguing about fairness as long as you're living in Malaysia. They say, we follow. We argue, they get offended, we get jailed. It's as easy as THAT.
I've also read that the GuangMing Daily is in the same trouble for publishing that caricature. What now? Another major daily newspaper waiting to be suspended indefinitely?
Posted by: JA at 11 February 2006 2:41 AM | Link to comment
i agree, sometimes u even upset ppl when u point out that there are over-sensitive ppl
LoL
which is why.. i dont think i want to live in msia.....
too much suppression of being an individual that there is no room for ..those who dont want to be just like sheep..
Posted by: amanda at 11 February 2006 2:52 AM | Link to comment
i think it's right and just to suspend Sarawak Tribune. at this extent, i dont think it's a matter of freedom of speech anymore. even nations which are claimed to be free and democratic like France had to sack the editor who published the cartoon.
moreover, you said that we, Malaysians have a limited level of freedom when it comes to voicing our true opinions on certain matters like politics and we would end up being like morons.
well, look at Singapore. they cant speak nuts about their Government or freely express their beliefs. but look at them, they are a developed nation.
so, i dont think u could link the level of freedom of speech with the progress of a nation.
Posted by: thinktank R at 11 February 2006 2:58 AM | Link to comment
not all muslims are radical or extremists, i find the muslims in msia very easy to get along with etc when compared to some muslims from other parts of the world.
there are so many caricatures of other religious prophets/gods.. should ppl of other religion begin reacting in such an over the top way? lol tsk.
when the government did that to ST, aren't they in a way, serving the cause of raging islamists?
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 3:09 AM | Link to comment
it is a matter of freedom of speech; i think they are just overreacting
"there are so many caricatures of other religious prophets/gods.. should ppl of other religion begin reacting in such an over the top way?"
or what abt cartoons depicting racism? should everyone start finding fault and reacting in a violent way because they are offended? in a world where there are so many different kinds of ppl, religion, practices.. u cant be oversensitive or totally insensitive. i dont think the cartoons were insensitive as there are numerous portrayals of various gods, prophets, politicians, etc as well
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 3:17 AM | Link to comment
I feel the same way about this as you Kenny. Unfortunately, sometimes it's more prudent to hold you tongue.
It's things like this that reinforce my opinion that Malaysians as a whole, are unfortunately NOT ready and mature enough for unlimited freedom of speech
It's not really our fault, it's the culture of fear perpetrated by some politicians.
That's a very, very long story so I won't eloborate.
Posted by: mac at 11 February 2006 4:09 AM | Link to comment
till we become a nation with morons? Don't you think we are already a nation run by mornons?
Posted by: immigrant in Canada at 11 February 2006 4:36 AM | Link to comment
Meh, I don't think anyone wants 'unlimited' free speech. Does it even exist anywhere in the world? A line has to be drawn when it comes to 'free' speech. Laws already prohibit you from saying anything defamatory. Would anyone still like to read racist articles? Am I free to swear in public? Really, I think it was stupid to publish those cartoons. What good does it serve? All it's done is drag Denmark's name through the mud. One would then argue that free speech is a human right. Well, human rights are meant to benefit humans. And how exactly does anyone benefit from this? Seems to me that the cartoons were published just for the heck of it; an abuse of a right.
[KS: I'm not talking about Denmark]
Posted by: Luke at 11 February 2006 4:39 AM | Link to comment
Christianity had this era a long time ago. Remember witches and burning stakes? Galileo? Islam is a younger religion so it is also going through it also. However, with religions in static progression since the modern age, maybe it will stay at that violent era forever.
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 5:30 AM | Link to comment
Quoting Albert Einstein which explains in part why we are and/or becoming more n more moronic ...
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions."
Posted by: FH2o at 11 February 2006 7:20 AM | Link to comment
If you read that a show cause letter was issued to another Chinese publication for 'showing pictures of someone reading a newspaper with the page turned to the caricatures of the Prophet', you'd be even more repulsed by our bigotry and loss of sense of what the big picture is.
Posted by: badwai_rocks at 11 February 2006 7:31 AM | Link to comment
bravo
well said
well written
a master-piece
solid stuffs
Posted by: setu
at 11 February 2006
7:34 AM | Link to comment
worth reading :
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/46750
Malaysians have no courage
Khoo Kay Peng
Feb 10, 06 2:26pm
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/46750
Posted by: setu
at 11 February 2006
7:37 AM | Link to comment
true, but sad
marginalisedddddddddddd !!!!!!
Posted by: setu
at 11 February 2006
7:39 AM | Link to comment
dictionary please :-
tolerance, peace, communication, understanding,
patience, fairness, competitiveness, merits,
equality, ..............
Posted by: setu
at 11 February 2006
7:50 AM | Link to comment
I think most people live with stereotypes instead of trying to find out by ACTUALLY talking to a person of the other race/culture. People THINK that they know, when really they DON'T.
I absolutely hate it when people toss me shit like, "... but I thought you ALL are like that?" and "... oh you really SHOULD behave/think like that. Why are you so rigid?!". People like that have absolutely no consideration of the cultural and values factor that any other individual has.
I hope we pull through this one, because honestly, it would be a pity to see us go neck to neck in Malaysia for something that didn't even start/really occur here in Malaysia...
Posted by: Vincent at 11 February 2006 7:50 AM | Link to comment
what about Singapore? they stop a riot before it even starts... hahaha
Posted by: ann jie at 11 February 2006 8:16 AM | Link to comment
there so many polarities, so many sects, and every race / group have their own " sensitivities " , frailties , handicaps , weaknesses , and short-comings , society at large should be more equitable, has it , not just one sided .
Posted by: setu
at 11 February 2006
8:23 AM | Link to comment
'Sensitive' issues? I hate it when something is done without a reason. Every thing ought to have a reason. At least they/we/he/she did this because. Putting a stop to it just like that isnt really going to solve problems in the long run. Thats how things are in Malaysia isn't it? Wonder if this mindset will bring further developments in the country.
Posted by: Emily at 11 February 2006 8:25 AM | Link to comment
Well written! Kenny.
[KS: Some text removed. Like it or not, before any change has occured you better watch what you say.]
Posted by: harry at 11 February 2006 8:43 AM | Link to comment
cartoons are just cartoons. It's not meant to be taken seriously, because it is just a CARTOON. Personally i felt those over-sensitive read too much into the cartoons.
Posted by: wenjun at 11 February 2006 9:06 AM | Link to comment
Well, when you see a nail on the ground, will you purposely step on it? Joke or no joke, what ST "did" is a no no in our country. Don't dwell into saying freedom of speech la this and that la... I do agree with Day and Luke.
You can't say a person is oversensitive because you're not that person. What ST's done is not FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR PRESS bla bla bla. It's just an outcome of really bad filter. Well, I am just sad ST's filters did a real boo-boo there. Shows you how well they proof-read and filter the paper with the amount of sudden truncated articles, typos and plain mistakes they have. Jgn main-main with api. Don't trot to where you see "TRESSPASSERS WILL BE SHOT". Want to do it, do it elsewhere where it says "TRESSPASSERS WILL BE SERVED TEA" or "A PENNY FOR YOUR OPINIONS". If you're well read, want your opinions to be heard, wants total freedom, you can always go PR-lah in another country. Tak suka because u cannot cincai cakap-cakap (even with a sound reason to back your opinion up), gossip kopitiam, well then that's just too bad. It is still just YOUR opinion. Not everyone will see eye to eye with you. Don't like the conservativeness of the country? I am sure many places in the world are very much more "open". If you're that smart and opinionated, I am sure you can make a living elsewhere. Deal with it, or leave. Find another place. Go find that nirvana country for yourself. There's always a choice. Can't leave because of obligations? Too bad. Beggers can't be choosers then. Or maybe I am all wrong and you just like to bitch about it. Nothing wrong there. But know what response you're gonna get, and how this entry can influence others. I AM an avid reader of your blog. I do know you have a big "fan-base".
You can also see here (comments la) that some will go all out to lick your coconuts and hurrah with you, or some maybe memang same opinion with, and there's ppl like me with other opinions. We don't see eye-to-eye on every occasion do we? I don't think you'll get offended with what I write here.. You're not THAT SENSITIVE right? Well that's just my opinion. :D aiyah I write so long... suak-lah.. I go sleep liaw...
[KS: Don't like then leave? Who do you think are? Noh Omar?]
Posted by: Sebastian at 11 February 2006 9:20 AM | Link to comment
Blame? There's no one to blame to. Blame that this is M'sia. Ruled by Malays. Those high-positioned rulers want no one to say anything about their nation. Sensitivity is the big issue and you have to adjust yrself to learn how to =X if you plan to live in M'sia. Learn how to MYOB in M'sia. This is something M'sia should learn from Ang Moh now. At least they give the damn slight opportunity for you to speak out.
Posted by: Suan Le at 11 February 2006 9:25 AM | Link to comment
Well said indeed. The problem with this whole issue is the leaders of political parties are "elected" amongst a pool of worthless shit. How many leaders amongst the oh so many ministers are truly there to serve the people? Could you even tell me how many of the ministers in the cabinet now who are NOT millionaires (themselves or direct relatives) and who are not misusing their influence for personal profits?
I can tell you the answer... NONE.
When it comes to issue like this, leaders tend to make a big HOO HAA out of it to divert the people's attention away from something more important; corruption, bureaucracy and their oh so wonderful and comfortable lifes in a banglo somewhere in Bukit Tunku / Damansara Heights...
Posted by: noel at 11 February 2006 9:37 AM | Link to comment
mati ko sumer org putih yg mempermainkan Nabi.
Posted by: kampungboy at 11 February 2006 9:40 AM | Link to comment
stupid ppl... chiak pa bo su cho... oways sue ppl... y kenot live harmonoiusly le?? tolerate mar.. multi racial marr.... nabeh! knnbccb...
Posted by: Jim at 11 February 2006 10:03 AM | Link to comment
a white guy, visitor to Malaysia, wonders what "Ang Moh" is/means?
find it very difficult to participate in current discussion, though did send long, and articulate, e-mail to Danish Ambassador in Canada supporting Danish govt's position in current furor. difficulty is due to ticket being bought and paid for - would hate to travel halfway around the world and find myself 'unwelcome' when I get to KLIA
Posted by: flaneur at 11 February 2006 10:31 AM | Link to comment
The cartoon started last September of 2005, worldwide reaction took this long to organized? Islamic papers publish cartoons of Jesus all the time. Don't ask for sensitivity until you can respect other people's religion. Religion of peace ... is it really? I see more violence than anything else.
Posted by: nit at 11 February 2006 10:33 AM | Link to comment
Kenny,
Because you are checking these posts before they go up, I might as if you know, or have any contact with Kenny Ee, editor (I believe) of the ST, and someone I met on my first trip to Kuching.
Thanks for your position on the issue.
Flaneur
[KS: I have no idea who Kenny Ee is. Sorry.]
Posted by: flaneur at 11 February 2006 10:34 AM | Link to comment
Yes, this gahmen is blardy stupid to think we are stupid. I was laughing hard (oh how insensitive of me) when I read there were people killed in other countries over this cartoon. I was even laughing harder when some proclaimed that they would die for the religion. Come on lah, come to the magnum shop on draw day and count how many of those are from these religion that ban gambling, curi curi staking their bet while wearing helmet.
We are a hypocrite nation.
Posted by: sarungman
at 11 February 2006
10:49 AM | Link to comment
We are alreayd a country of morons. What more can I say
Posted by: Youknowyetyoudontknow at 11 February 2006 10:51 AM | Link to comment
I have been following your posts for the past few days and am anticipating for you to bring up the issue and you finally did!!
This is MALAYSIA dude! Freedom of speech is basically NON-EXISTENT alright? I read about the part where a goverment official commented that the Media Industry is out of control, quoting the "nude squats" case and this one, ehem, just exactly how are you going to control them? By giving each newspaper the same script to publish? Then alright, we'll just have one newspaper then. Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about, but remember this is a MUSLIM country, you've gotta be careful when it comes to religion.
Anyways, I don't think ST will go down, worse comes to worse they can always register another company since the facilities are already setup.
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 11:06 AM | Link to comment
it's like you don't do anything so that you won't make mistake, in malaysian way "no do no wrong"
Posted by: WTJ at 11 February 2006 11:06 AM | Link to comment
At first, I also thought...WTH those people angry with the cartoons? (I have those 12 out of 15 of the cartoons)
Then I get to know... The cartoons was published back in september 2005. This only makes small part of the people angry in Denmark.
Then, they (Denmark) republish it again. This is the reason the people get angry. ST "re-publish" the cartoons for Malaysians. If they dont republish, i dun think they will be suspended.
As for ST, i think a fine is more suitable than close shop. If close shop, more people will be jobless. (similiar with proton eh?-> "close shop" "jobless")
Posted by: wklim79 at 11 February 2006 11:12 AM | Link to comment
yea! *lifting both hands and agree*
Posted by: jia at 11 February 2006 11:28 AM | Link to comment
Sad for the people working in Sarawak Tribune. I feel the closing is very unfair to them. Why do they have to go to such extend to please some people? Don't they think they are spoiling them? Firing the the people responsible & having apologies published would hav been sufficient.
Posted by: Gabrielle at 11 February 2006 11:36 AM | Link to comment
You are right there!
Posted by: bayi at 11 February 2006 11:49 AM | Link to comment
actually I tot that the paper is quite brainless to reprint cos what is the purpose in doing it???
knowing tat riots are occuring everywhere cos of the cartoons and here they are doing it...
trying to boost their readership? try to keep the readers well informed?
I really question their purpose...
irresponsibility...
[KS: Can you honestly say that you've read the news at some point without wondering WHAT the cartoons are all about? It's not to boost readership, they're doing their job.]
Posted by: Wei De at 11 February 2006 11:51 AM | Link to comment
this is a touchy subject.. cant say much. since im muslim, im a bit upset abt it, but i dun think tht ppl shld react violently to this. i mean, wht does tht exactly say abt us?
Posted by: Melissa at 11 February 2006 11:54 AM | Link to comment
Malaysia is better off as a nation of various races. Remember the riot in Indonesia in which the local people targeted chinese? It's worse dude..It's even more worse.. I don't even remember there is a riot targeting certain race in Malaysia
Posted by: nope at 11 February 2006 12:06 PM | Link to comment
This is the first time I am leaving comment here although I have been reading your blog for some time now... I just want to say, I am sorry there is not much civilizations in men nowadays. Take care everyone!
Posted by: m@ri at 11 February 2006 12:12 PM | Link to comment
kenny, next entry u'll better come up with something funny, or porno.. or else ppl will argue this all the time... no offence ppl, but this thing is getting pointless... i know u are upset, but i read kenny sia for something funny.. we all do, rite?
[KS: Why don't you write something funny in your own blog?]
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 1:08 PM | Link to comment
True that!
Posted by: obi meowz at 11 February 2006 1:20 PM | Link to comment
honestly, i wonder what the fuss is all about. Sure, the caricatures are marginally insensitive, but i suppose u have to take into account that they are satirical. The funny thing is, these caricatures are just reprints! Personally i feel that half the time these riots occur just because there are some hyper-sensitive individuals out there who feel slighted at any inkling of "insensitivity". Violence doesn't exactly help portray Islam as a religion of peace (which it is) and does Muslims all over the world no favours, only increasing tension (racial or otherwise). Noone can be politically correct all the time, in fact sometimes political correctness is just plain pretentious and tiring.
Posted by: Julian at 11 February 2006 1:21 PM | Link to comment
Sad enough to say, but that's REALLY what happening now in Malaysia..... :(
Posted by: CLF at 11 February 2006 1:22 PM | Link to comment
to nope: There was. Don't rely on your history books though if you are Malaysian.
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 1:45 PM | Link to comment
A newspaper is to allow their readers with news, not help the government in their propaganda. It is impractical to block problems when you can do nothing about it.
Has anyone even heard of Empress Dowager Cixi?
Anyway, beautiful entry.
Posted by: Alm at 11 February 2006 2:04 PM | Link to comment
Came here on advice of your fellow Catsville resident Yan; I am sorry you "deleted" some eralier posts -- I did too at mine on one subject .. I wished I had read those deleted ones, but i can hazard a gas?
The last time I heard "morons" being bandied about was an exchange between George Soros and former Dr Mahathir Mohamad, but that would be recounting too familair a tale and I wouldn't want to drive away Kenny's 'steamed readers, would I?
So - Now back to issue proper, just one reference to ONE of the ST's protagonists (does he deserve the what? 'aranic' moniker?): pls bear with desi, longish ~~~ Came here on advice of your fellow Catsville resident Yan; I am sorry you "deleted" some eralier posts -- I did too at mine on one subject .. I wished I had read those deleted ones, but i can hazard a gas?
The last time I heard "morons" being bandied about was an exchange between George Soros and former Dr Mahathir Mohamad, but that would be recounting too familair a tale and I wouldn't want to drive away Kenny's 'steamed readers, would I?
So - Now back to issue proper, just one reference tothe ST's protagonists (does he/they deserve the what? 'moron' moniker?): pls indulge desi with a longish reference, reproducing relevant parts of news report from The Star: ~~~
Indefinite suspension 61-year-old Sarawak
KUCHING: The 61-year-old Sarawak Tribune may not hit the streets anymore even after the suspension order has been rescinded, said the newspaper’s editorial advisor Senator Datuk Idris Buang.
He said the daily’s board of directors had decided to self-impose an indefinite suspension on publication at their meeting in Sibu yesterday morning, before the Government issued the suspension order.
“There may not be a Sarawak Tribune anymore,” he told a press conference at the newspaper’s office in Jalan Abell last night.
Idris said the board fully supported the Federal Government’s stand to suspend the licence of the Sarawak Tribune.
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“We are extremely ashamed of the damage and hurt caused to all Malaysians and the country due to the gross insensitivity and lack of responsibility on the part of whosoever involved among the staff in question, particularly the editor-on-duty.
“We join all Malaysians in condemning this act (reproduction of the caricatures of Prophet Muhammad),” he added. (ends new report exxtract..)
This guy is "amazing" -- a newspaper's boss "supporting" the suspension (killing off!) of his own newspaper!
Then he added insult to injury that he spoke ion behalf of "all Malaysians ...on TWO occasions.
Hey, - I'm a blue-blooded journalist, am proud of it! - did not wish to be represented by you, Idris. Especially a politician first, not even a journalist second!
"This guy Toman and his big boss Idris Buang were scapegoating Lester Malanyi all the way, now Toman wants to flag himself as a "honourable" hero. Yes, I heard Mark Antony say so many times too (after Julius Caesar's murder): Brutus and all the assasins were honourable men ... transfer the Roman public square to the Malaysian poliitcal (BN) stage ... and Shakespeare would have quietly smiled in his grave...
Maybe Toman will place some bouquets at the Sarawak Tribune tombstone: R.I.P. -- I hope it stands for my more optimistic (when I was a child...)version: RISE IF POSSIBLE.
With friends like Idris and Toman, the people at ST need no enemies..."
At one time, Putrajaya kept the Morons within the peninsular perimeter. Now it's cross-border --ah, evil if Global Villagisation?...
The Morons have arrived in Sarawak, I "sympathise" with thee, kenny, and mGf 2, Yan...I also empathise with ST hardpressed press member& their 300? families -- will continue to say some prayers for you ppl with such "noble" bosses heading the newspapers there...
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A: amen/amin.
Yours APpreciative (mayhaps "Dishonourable"?) Reader, YL
Posted by: ylchong at 11 February 2006 2:21 PM | Link to comment
Yes Kenny, discussions are good among a group of friends where you can have a meaningful conversation.
But an online discussion with people over the Internet, you just know that one moron somewhere is going to join in and start dissing the religion and everybody else without substance.
Most of your readers have the intellect level of a rotten mushroom and I am sure you know it. Just scroll back up and you get what I am talking about.
Even a simple peaceful article like mine can attract hate comments about a certain religion. That is the reason things should be censored online. Under the anonimity of the Internet, any coward can say anything they like and misinterprete your article, no matter how well it was argued.
It is easy to call people sensitive, but if saying something or doing something causes people to burn down buildings and take to the streets, then maybe they are trully ofended. I have said it many times, it has got nothing to do with what you believe. It has ALL to do with understanding why people believe otherwise.
Posted by: vincent at 11 February 2006 2:26 PM | Link to comment
you took the words right outta my mouth
Posted by: yx at 11 February 2006 2:45 PM | Link to comment
we are furious. we are sad.
but have we done anythin?
can we do anythin?
nope. we whine.
and silent....
can i know-why prophet's face shouldn't be showed?why malays have to be muslims? why they do not like dogs?-Qs i wanna know since primary..am i insensitive by askin these qs? and yes, i really do not know much bout other fellow malaysians' culture.
Posted by: day at 11 February 2006 3:00 PM | Link to comment
I have no idea what was said on the newspaper exactly, but they could have talked about the caricatures without posting the caricatures itself, right? I mean, seeing that it IS a sensitive subject and that they are in a muslim country, it IS kind of dumb to publish the caricatures, however unfair it is of the government to suspend them. Although they had no intention to hurt, whatsoever, and that the government's just being paranoid, I guess they brought it onto theirselves. You play with fire, get burnt your fault what.
Haha, I bet that didn't make sense. But oh well.
Posted by: Huda at 11 February 2006 3:06 PM | Link to comment
Quote " can i know-why prophet's face shouldn't be showed?why malays have to be muslims? why they do not like dogs?-Qs i wanna know since primary..am i insensitive by askin these qs? and yes, i really do not know much bout other fellow malaysians' culture."
i'll answer ur questions day,
the prophet's face, or god's face, or any prophet's face cannot be shown to PREVENT the followers from falling into idolatry(worship of figures/pictures, etc, as to why malays must be muslim, i have no idea, (im malay and i donno also),
as for the dogs part, it's a common stereotype by muslims to think dogs are bad/dirty and we cant touch em and that bullshit. Well technically, there's nothing in the holy scriptures that tell us THAT we cant touch em. in fact, the first prophet, Adam, owned a dog. The dog came to adam's hand.
hope that answers ur question, if u want to ask me more, you can email me jizu32@gmail.com, rather than flame kenny's comments.
btw kenny, malaysian government has never supported free press, what we have is an illusion of free press.
Posted by: jeff at 11 February 2006 3:47 PM | Link to comment
one of the pictures of the newspaper article says that whoever plays up the sensitive issue of race, religion... will be given heavy punishment. isn't this the country who's leaders said noone should ever question the rights of malays in the country?
what a case of double standards.
Posted by: brandon chng at 11 February 2006 4:13 PM | Link to comment
I really wonder what you mean by "they are doing their job"?
you mean by publishing the cartoons which in one way or another insults someone's religion is doing their job???
[KS: You have to look into the CONTEXT in which it was published. Taken out of context, yes the cartoons are VERY offensive. But in the context of reporting accurate news and supporting it with the very subject of discussion, they are not.]
Posted by: Wei De at 11 February 2006 4:40 PM | Link to comment
i failed to get JPA scolarship after obtaining 10A1s........WTF...
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Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 4:45 PM | Link to comment
Kenny ..... great post.. but have anyone realise why Sarawak Tribune did it & not Borneo Post or any other Newspaper??? It's this guy L.M. who published the caricatures and whether it's against the Sarawak Tribune or someone really powerful. He obviously did it on purpose since the world has declare this issue as a sensitive & serious Muslim offending matter. But who bought this guy to do so is another matter... Either POLITICAL or COMPETITOR....
Well... as long as it does nothing harmful to me except for leaving only 1 Sarawak English Newspaper to read and uncertain furture for the staff in Sarawak Tribune!
Posted by: hotsaqu at 11 February 2006 4:45 PM | Link to comment
Oh NO!!Kennysia's chatterbox has been suspended.
Posted by: rave devil at 11 February 2006 4:51 PM | Link to comment
Thank You Kenny. Well said and I agree. Its unfortunate that people are insular and this creation of ideological walls around ourselves only serves to make us island of humanity unbridged and disunited. Id like to read the post you didn't put up, if i may.
Posted by: Aranyi at 11 February 2006 5:19 PM | Link to comment
it was stated that the suspension of the newspaper indefinitely was agreed upon by the board of directors not the goverment
they did so ebfore the goverment suspended them, which is what the goverment will be doing ....
Posted by: earl-ku
at 11 February 2006
5:28 PM | Link to comment
kenny, I couldn't agree more.
i've got a post that has link to another page
http://trevesco.blogspot.com/2006/02/racial-discrimination.html
let's read and weep for Malaysia.
Posted by: TreVesco at 11 February 2006 6:01 PM | Link to comment
I am kind of late for the news and haven’t seen the real thing but very curious as to what actually stirred things up and can someone confirm if it is contained in the link below and which one it is.
What I would really like to understand is what is in the caricature that is so offensive that it warrants torching up the street and even to the extent of killing your friendly neighbors who have the same faith and believe the same thing as you do.
And why it took as long as it did (4momths) to have any sort of emotional response and to brew up such a storm if indeed it is such an offensive picture.
Right now all there is out there are anger and violence which honestly hasn’t helped me and probably many others too to understand the issue. For those offended I believe your explanation would be lots more useful towards helping others to understand.
http://www.rorylewisband.com
Posted by: Pope at 11 February 2006 6:12 PM | Link to comment
Malaysians are not sensitive, the government is.
Posted by: Tim at 11 February 2006 6:16 PM | Link to comment
all this political talk is giving me a headache
:)
Posted by: yanz at 11 February 2006 6:36 PM | Link to comment
I wish you didn't self-censor yourself Kenny.
Posted by: james at 11 February 2006 7:08 PM | Link to comment
Kenny,
Too bad your blog has become too mainstream for you to post up the caricatures, heck or even to openly discuss the subject now. "Shh...isu sensitif has been the most convenient cover for ignorance. Most of the people blowing the 'isu sensitif' hot air have not even seen the cartoon, but are eager to criticize. I have a Palestinian friend who could see it in a light-hearted way, once taken into context. So why can’t they? The cartoon was not about any religion - it was about the absurdness of censorship. The irony, hey...
If you actually google the cartoons up, you can see that one of the cartoons depict Buddha, Jesus and a Jewish God telling Mohammad not to get mad - they've all been subject to caricatures themselves. No offence, but I don't see any Christians or Buddhists rampaging through towns burning embassies and the like.
I applaud the Sarawak Tribune for staying true to their journalistic principles (at least in this case) instead of selling out like the Star, NST, etc. It is ridiculous expecting the government of Denmark and France to apologize for the sake of their media. Perhaps the idiot rioters are all from countries that don't know the meaning of INDEPENDENT press.
Posted by: fruitopia
at 11 February 2006
7:16 PM | Link to comment
it was said that the directors themsleves refused to continue with sarawak tribune even if the ban is lifted.....who should we trust?
I'm losing trust and confidence in this country...sigh
Posted by: jlshyang at 11 February 2006 7:17 PM | Link to comment
aiyoh...malaysia boleh ma...wut do ya expect....
BOLEH siarkan...
tetapi BOLEH tutupkan juga.
and yet...i dunno why i still love malaysia...
Posted by: zickleer okr at 11 February 2006 7:32 PM | Link to comment
Oh, come on, have all of you not read George Orwell's 1984?
Don't you think there might be another reason why ST was closed down?
Two words: diversion, monopoly.
Posted by: McGarmott at 11 February 2006 7:45 PM | Link to comment
This whole fiasco is a 'wayang kulit'. Its agenda is simple. To bring a race of people together in times when their political camp is on shaky ground.
And who wants to bet that there will be new owners with a new permit in hand to 'revive' ST?
Politics + Big Business go hand in hand. Look around in Sarawak. Who owns what where? Who runs what where?
Enjoy the show, a script worth of a hollywood blockbuster.
Posted by: waddafak at 11 February 2006 8:17 PM | Link to comment
jeff: Malays have to be Muslim or they aren't Malays. Simple as that. Constitutionally, a Malay is someone who regularly speaks the Malay language, practices Malay culture and most importantly (to the governing authorities anyway), is a Muslim.
Posted by: ClearSoup at 11 February 2006 8:42 PM | Link to comment
Excellent post =)
Posted by: Reader at 11 February 2006 8:48 PM | Link to comment
excellent post, very true indeed they way you describe our 'malaysia boleh' culture. Dont speak, dont communicate, if the issue sensitive better dont talk. We never try to learn, why it is sensitive? Or why some group of people can be insensitive? It's the lack of communication between us. That's what our gomen prefer I guess. Jangan cakap banyak.. ikut saja. Yang ini betul, itu tak betul, jangan tanya mengapa... We are sheep :D yeaH!!!!!!
Posted by: bongkersz at 11 February 2006 9:01 PM | Link to comment
I really wonder what you mean by "they are doing their job"?
you mean by publishing the cartoons which in one way or another insults someone's religion is doing their job???
Try to look at the big picture, understand why they publish it, the intention, is it intentional as to cause malice? They just published it together to support what they were reporting. Too bad some people are too dumb to try to READ and UNDERSTAND instead of buta buta taruk people... Haih.. Agree with Kenny, Moronic Nation.
Posted by: bongkersz at 11 February 2006 9:05 PM | Link to comment
"jeff: Malays have to be Muslim or they aren't Malays. Simple as that. Constitutionally, a Malay is someone who regularly speaks the Malay language, practices Malay culture and most importantly (to the governing authorities anyway), is a Muslim."
yea thnx..i forgot about the damned constitution.
Posted by: jeff at 11 February 2006 9:09 PM | Link to comment
Kenny,
this is one of the most meaningful blog i've ever read. it is sooo damn true!
that's the fact... living in a religious country. where's the human rights in speaking out??? if we continue locking our mouth, then when can we learn, understand and be honest with everyone? when can we really be united in harmony?
sad case...
Posted by: JayMee at 11 February 2006 9:41 PM | Link to comment
To all Malaysians who yearn to have a free conscience... please, come to the United States! You will be respected. You will be treated with dignity. You will make lots of money. You will have the freedom to speak your mind.
On the other hand, if you are so sensitive that seeing a cartoon drawing of some guy that supposedly lived 2000 years ago drives you to tears or makes you go crazy, then you are not suited for life in our country. Better you stay in Malaysia where you have the government to protect your fragile ego.
Posted by: american at 11 February 2006 9:47 PM | Link to comment
what do you mean until?
Posted by: qsl at 11 February 2006 10:16 PM | Link to comment
think this way, atleast we are not that bad..
take Iran for example; a 17 years old girl was sentenced hung to death for defending herself being raped by 4 man. She actually accidently killed one of them with her pocket knife. well she is sentenced to death. because of that.
On another hand, an angry mob in Iran stormed Denmark Embassy, and burnt down everything, because them stand by thier belief and religion. With this, Denmark now can rage war againts Iran, for attacking thier land in Iran.
For me, lady is not only our friend, girlfriend wife and sisters. Thier our mother. and i respect them. my point is if people dont resect thier mother, what right do they have to stand by thier own belief? i'm glad that own country pactices the milder side of Islam teaching. And i'm glad to be in this country. and i'm sure the goverment has already try his best to protect everbody's right.
i dont wana live in a country where they banned drugs because the government "care about the people", on the other hand legalise guns and firearm.
Posted by: adrian at 11 February 2006 10:19 PM | Link to comment
i don't know if anyone watched the news recently, but on TV3, the report shows that someone from Melaka reported about the Sarawak Tribune incident, from Ayer Keroh. someone poslaju-ed a newspaper to Melaka?
Posted by: sheep319 at 11 February 2006 10:20 PM | Link to comment
Don't just complain that you can't say or do anything.
When voting time comes, vote wisely.
If you think vote Barisan Nasional for stability.
NAH!
Posted by: BehSong at 11 February 2006 10:32 PM | Link to comment
i think it was all very stupid.
even my dad, a press man, thinks the same.
malaysia, although a circular country,
is so muslim-oriented.
nobody would give a f*ck if it was moses or some other 'holly' character (thats NOT muslim) was dissed. i applaud you for this post of yours.
Posted by: raine at 11 February 2006 10:41 PM | Link to comment
I've read all the comments and found some to be amateur enough.
These whole issue has been a vicious cycle with a chain of events that lead to extreme reactions that causes casualties and loss of jobs. On my personal opinion, it should be wholly blamed on the published caricature and therefore the worldwide press. Due to 911 and other 'catastrophe', issues on Islam is extremely sensitive. A line should be drawn when it comes to humiliating their religion during such sensitive times,by drawing a bomb on top of Mhd's head. NOt a very good idea indeed. And becos of how much chaos it can cause, the worldwide press came to denounce, report in details for the whole world to see. The whole world sees it and it aggravate the situation. M'sia gov probably suppress ST becos the country cannot afford to induce riots more.
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 11 February 2006 11:36 PM | Link to comment
You totally missed the point, Kenny. Look at waddafak's comment - this guy knows what's going on.
Who owns ST? Who's the chairman of ST? Who does he report to?
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 12 February 2006 12:08 AM | Link to comment
It's sad what happened to Sarawak Tribune. I too grew up reading it, and I dun think it's too much to say that's it's the only decent Sarawakian newspaper worth reading. On 1 hand, I'd agree that it might have been a bad idea to publish the cartoon especially in this country. But does the reaction have to be so severe as to shut down the whole newspaper when it's only a few individuals who made the decision. Sucks. Hope Sarawak Press will reincarnate the ST in someway, maybe a new paper? It used to be called the Sarawak Times, right? Maybe that could be a way out. Pity the rest of the staff though...buta buta lose their jobs/careers... Anyway, condolences to ST, but hope to see it in another form soon....
Posted by: VinQ at 12 February 2006 12:45 AM | Link to comment
i think all the fuss made is clearly unnecessary. No doubt it might be insulting to certain muslims, but i agree with u that many cartoons are made to encourage the readers to think and question. The reaction is really way too much. Everything is based on politics now, and religion is just an excuse to argue. An apology would have been enough looking that there was no intention to hurt/anyone or religion.
i would just like to say thanks kenny, for having the balls to put this up with so much honesty and straight-forwardness. :)
Posted by: sam at 12 February 2006 1:16 AM | Link to comment
No doubt, Malaysians who have posted inconsiderate, harsh and foolish comments like some of those above are nothing else but ignorant. And, they are not ignorant because the nation have brought them up that way.
It's ALL because they dont read enough and not think twice before they say something. They lambast and punish innocent people with their comments, thinking that they have EVERY right to freedom of speech. 'Civilised' people make use of their rights for the better of everyone, and these people abuse it by disrespecting others and our own fellow Malaysians.
I have no idea what our nation would turn up to be like if we were given the ultimate freedom to speech with these people who would disrupt the harmony of Malaysian lives.
Posted by: thinktank R at 12 February 2006 1:16 AM | Link to comment
Good riddance! Sarawak Tribune is just another medium of propoganda for the government anyway. Not directly but many of its editorials are pro-government crap. I am not saying that any Malaysian newspapers are better but at least they don't keep publishing articles that give Barisan Nasional a pat in the back everytime. Besides ST news are for those contended with living under the coconut shell. From the first to the last page everything is about Sarawak. I exaggerate but generally that is the idea. If you want to read ST, fine. But at least get access to CNN or BBC or whatever news you can find via your parabolic dish.
Anybody with common sense would know that it is a bad idea to publish those pictures. We already know what those pictures can lead to. We have seen European media receiving the brunt of the attack and editors issuing public apologies. And these are huge conglomerates, mind you. BBC is one of them. And now ST intends to take on the Muslim world or rather Muslim country by itself. Arrogance? I would think ignorance rather because most probably the ST editors are living under the coconut shell as well and oblivious to the world as their publication is. Wake up! You are living in an Islamic country for crying out loud.
If you feel like crying out loud, get out of the country and spit out whatever is on your mind. If not just keep quiet and be happy that you are living in a country that is peaceful and a country that you don't have to crack your head thinking who to vote because no matter who you vote BN is still going to be tha majority. Otherwise, if you cannot do that, you can cry in jail under ISA.
Posted by: CinaBoy at 12 February 2006 1:53 AM | Link to comment
完全支持你!
Posted by: 古越遺民 at 12 February 2006 3:22 AM | Link to comment
how was depicting a bomb in the prophet's turban supposed to make anyone think?!
anyone looking at it would have the impression that the prophet encourages terrorism etc, and that was very offensive.
if the caricatures were supposed to encourage thinking, i truly believed that it was done to mislead, and not educate :P
if you're really desperate to learn, there are other ways of educating yourself on whatever issue you want to learn about by choosing anything other than the offensive approach. dont read somebody's opinion and make it your own before learning it yourself.
thats just being shallow.
its shallow to assume that just because the the 911 terrorists are muslims, then all his muslim brothers and sisters are terrorists too.
in 1997 Timothy McVeigh was sentenced to death for terrorising (bombing Oklahoma City). he was a pure white-assed american. but you all know what everyone first said? 'oh hey investigation showed tht the bombing has got middle eastern signature written all over it'
if muslims didnt face so much discrimination in today's world, they probably wouldnt be so defensive.
muslims in malaysia are lucky that we're living peacefully instead of being bombed everyday like in Iraq. i friggin wonder where the hell is that secret weapon of mass destruction bush is talking about.
so yeah you wana talk. the problem is your head is too small to think about big issues. just shut the fuck up.
and if any of you in here are saying that offending somebody else's God is nothing and should be taken lightly (just because you're so used to cursing yours) YOU'RE SO OUT OF YOUR HEAD.
hello? what did they teach you in school? the most basic things - be respectful, be nice, be kind etc etc.
now i hear people giving all kinds of excuses for what tht Danish paper did. oh we have freedom of speech, oh this is to report blablabla. cut the crap. freedom of speech is there for the good, it was never meant to be used like this. heck, the editor even said that he wouldnt mind publishing offensive stuffs about the Holocousts. you dare bet that nobody would feel offended? why not publish something offensive about Jesus and have it being circulated on the net worldwide or around Europe to be ridiculed. you think that bush is going to sit around smiling his head off? encourage thinking? you know what bush will be thinking? pressing that nuclear bomb button to the danes, thts what he would wanna do.
you fail to grasp time and time again that some measures are necessary to protect Malaysia from what has happened in the past. if it meant tht our 'freedom of expression' is limited to not offending anybody's God, i dont see why it should be a problem for you in the first place. Sarawak Tribune was either too dumb or too smart for its own good when they decided to publish tht article. what a bunch of idiots.
Posted by: wtf at 12 February 2006 3:31 AM | Link to comment
could it be the goverment trying to warm the public not to do something foolish, or else we could end up like ST? everything happends for a reason.. think twice..
Posted by: adrian at 12 February 2006 5:54 AM | Link to comment
Bravo Kenny for publishing nonsense comments from trolls like "wtf" Others like Jeff Ooi would've banned him for his personal attacks.
"so yeah you wana talk. the problem is your head is too small to think about big issues. just shut the fuck up."
Hmm..but obviously you can't.
I didn't want to open a can-of-worms here, but since Kenny is leaving himself open to attack, maybe someone should rebut one or two thing here aight..
"muslims in malaysia are lucky that we're living peacefully instead of being bombed everyday like in Iraq"
And who are the bombers in Iraq? And who are the majority of the casualties of said bombings - its not the American soldiers but innocent Iraqi muslims, courtesy of not-so-innocent Iraqi muslims with some help from the Iraninans or Syrians.
"he was a pure white-assed american. but you all know what everyone first said? 'oh hey investigation showed tht the bombing has got middle eastern signature written all over it'
if muslims didnt face so much discrimination in today's world, they probably wouldnt be so defensive."
Its called stereotyping. Basically you look at who the majority of the the bombers are and make a guess. Not saying it is right, but it is what most people do, including you. No prize for guessing who are the people conducting most of the bombings, by the way.
"pressing that nuclear bomb button to the danes, thts what he would wanna do."
Guess somewhat forgot to take his meds, huh. Calm down, stop flaming, go sleep. Atta boy.
"could it be the goverment trying to warm the public not to do something foolish, or else we could end up like ST? "
Notice that in such a society - personal accountability is dependant upon the threat of punishment by the government; we are encouraged to be a tool. Stop thinking, just do as you are told as everything is fine n' dandy.
Peace.
Posted by: fruitopia
at 12 February 2006
8:00 AM | Link to comment
you have my support, Kenny. No point of getting angry over this issue. It's not the first time anyways. Everytime such issues crop up, drastic actions are being taken by our topguns. Thing is, these people at the top have brains the size of peanut...that's why they are monkeys! to some extend we'll just have to live with it for now (well, at least until someone at the top decides enough is enough or until every malaysian starts thinking) and let's just pray that the very people we put up there in the government will do something.
Posted by: KL at 12 February 2006 9:24 AM | Link to comment
I am not very sure if they shld ve done it at all.
All the violence going on, what they ve done has caused great damage and caused the deaths of many...
Sigh...
If only these would stop soon...
Posted by: Wei De at 12 February 2006 9:51 AM | Link to comment
Ouch, Kenny. I sure hope you didn't shoot down everything I said just because it contained the word 'Denmark' in it. What I said about Denmark is applicable to the Sarawak Tribune. That is, WHAT GOOD does it serve? In Denmark's case, it was primarily to test the limits of free speech. Well, in ST's case, that was obviously, intentionally or not, a similar attempt. Sure, Kenny, you assert that the purpose of publishing thoes cartoons is to facilitate BALANCED and FACTUAL reporting.
Well, Huda in an earlier post hit the nail on the head. Was it completely necessary to have those caricatures there? How about a lengthy wordy article with no pictures? Would that someone detract from its credibility? If anyone is INTERESTED in seeing those pictures, they could always go onto the internet. What, you guys still like reading picture books?
(I'm not a Muslim, so if anyone could shed some light or even rebuke me for the following:)
And Kenny, I don't think you should have shot 'Wei De' down as well. For everyone here (including Kenny), as far as I know, IN THE ISLAMIC FAITH IT IS WRONG TO REPRESENT THE PROPHET IN ART IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM AND YES, EVEN WITH THE UTMOST OF GOOD INTENTIONS. Even the Muslims themselves who love and respect him to no end perhaps might even love to have a picture of him hanging on the wall ARE FORBIDDEN TO. In other words, NO CONTEXT JUSTIFIES portrayal of the prophet. So Kenny, the moment ST did what they did, NO MATTER WHAT THEY WERE GONNA SAY, they've offended Muslims.
'Fruitopia', in light of what I said above, that does not necessarily make him 'mainstream'. His blog has identified enough of him to allow him to face severe backlash and repercussions if he did publish the caricatures.
Any what's more, have any of the press from Canada, the US, Australia and the UK published those pictures? Don't they have an independent press too? Perhaps the media in those countries don't suffer any insecurities with regards to free speech AND/OR THEY KNOW BETTER.
Hey bongkersz, if any portrayal of the prophet is against Islamic teachings for any reason at all, would your views change? Cuz, any publication of such is a display of insensitivity.
'Wtf' thanks for your post. Though some things you said made me cringe a little, I appreciate your similar perspective.
Kenny, we need not look far to find evidence of the press providing a balanced and factual view, or at least of controversial and touchy issues. Remember the 'strip-search' incident? Or the mountaineer's widow caught in a legal loophole between the civil and Islamic courts? Or how about the guys at the top lamenting the Malay's culture of receiving handouts from the government? Really Kenny, I just don't see how you can justify your entire entry above. Our media may seem to have the impression of self-censorship but perhaps it's because it's erring on the side on safety - better to be sensitive than insensitive. If those issues recently PUBLISHED above in the media are so remote from anything cultural or religious or political that it allows them to be published, I dunno what would please you.
Posted by: Luke at 12 February 2006 9:51 AM | Link to comment
i do think it's inappropriate to publish the cartoon..i mean look at other countries who had published the cartoons. this will sure triggered furore among muslims in this country..
Posted by: sigg at 12 February 2006 12:46 PM | Link to comment
Thanks for putting that post up
http://izzietheinternetbugwriter.blogspot.com/2006/02/100-importance-of-religious-harmony.html
Posted by: annonymous at 12 February 2006 1:04 PM | Link to comment
the silent majority in sarawak must speak up against this unreasonable closure of sarawakian newspaper.
Posted by: chnr
at 12 February 2006
1:41 PM | Link to comment
well said! i couldn't agree more. *nods head*
Posted by: silveraven at 12 February 2006 2:45 PM | Link to comment
From Lynn Johnston:
"On behalf of conscientious humorists and illustrators worldwide, I want to say to the nation of people who have been understandably offended – an apology is due. This is not comedy. If a cartoon or a statement causes such pain, it enters the category of hate literature and should be treated as such.
Laughter is a language we can all understand. For the sake of decency and good taste – stop reprinting this inflammatory image and allow a people already in crisis to heal.
"I believe these cartoons have a right to exist. But the media does not have the right to use them callously in the name of freedom. Freedom for whom? If one innocent person dies because of this capricious incident, publishers must accept the blame."
Posted by: I'm A Chicken With No Name. BWAK BWAK BWAK! at 12 February 2006 2:49 PM | Link to comment
The Government action only serve to tell the world how weak the faith of the Muslims are. What a shame.
Posted by: Anonymous at 12 February 2006 2:49 PM | Link to comment
I think Kenny hit the nail on the head on this topic. That's exactly the problem with everyone around the world, not just Malaysia, I think.
Posted by: randomshinichi at 12 February 2006 3:15 PM | Link to comment
you draw or write something about Christianity, the Vatican may go after you.....
you draw or write something about Muslim,the whole Muslim nation may go violent!
Maybe our government is playing safe.....
Posted by: Arthur akal at 12 February 2006 3:59 PM | Link to comment
Yes, we all gotta to resurrect the Sarawak Tribune..come on..suspend indefinitely over a cartoon?!! Muslim are taught to forgive and forget as do most major mainstream religion.
Come and get me if u can,,ISA folks,,give u a hint,,i am in canada.
dont forget the handcuffs! Oh my wrist are small,,bring the XXS size.
Oh one more reminder for those officers that are assigned to tangkap me,,bring some pocket money and see Canada before catching me. U got this one chance to travel half the world and geta tour here.
Do what u can,,but please please let my dear Tribune go. That was my first newspaper when i learned to read english in primary 3.
i even end up being the loan officer to lease hi-tech equpments to Sarawak Press when it's press room transform from old'cut and paste" to hi-tech computer and networks.
i even caught a glimpse of who the real indirect owners of Tribune is. All i can say is he's got a lot of white hair,,,hahahaha
My late grandpa too gota lots of white hair and when he walks around the wet market in Gambir Rd, they call used to call him, "pek-mo".
LONG LIVE THE TRIBUNE!!!
Posted by: JOO at 12 February 2006 4:18 PM | Link to comment
SEND THIS TO THE CABINET.
Posted by: Melia at 12 February 2006 5:08 PM | Link to comment
it's a joke
Posted by: WTJ at 12 February 2006 6:42 PM | Link to comment
this is a good topic to distract everyone from AP, NAP, NEP, Proton, Kentut and Fang Pi (ketuk ketampi), rapes, snatch thieves, and other previously highlighted issues...
Posted by: wklim79 at 12 February 2006 7:08 PM | Link to comment
i'm glad you had deleted those things you're wrote. cos i knew it is not going to be safe for you.
we can't afford to loose a blog which would allow us to express our views.
i do love my country, but so many things that happened had really made me reconsidering whether i should return to my country of birth.
Posted by: honsie at 12 February 2006 7:21 PM | Link to comment
would they have an equivalent of What Would Jesus Do (WWJD) in the Muslim world? Just curious...
Posted by: kiwi at 12 February 2006 7:31 PM | Link to comment
great post kenny - I have a solution for you all - VOTE opposition for once and have a new govt that is not only interested in sucking taxpayer $$$ and putting into their own pockets - oh forgot - they keep redrawing the constituency boundaries to prevent that.
Posted by: matrocker at 12 February 2006 7:44 PM | Link to comment
Absolutely true.
Muslims are kind of violent when it comes to these things, but extremists only though.
Why must they burn down buildings and kill? Why want to wage war against others? It's world peace that we want, and they keep spoiling it. They study the Quran everyday, and pray 5 times a day, but the abhorrent fact is that they are not changing for the better.
Yeah, and I agree that the government is a "follower." They feel that they should be angry as those extremists are. They can't stand by themselves. They need someone or something to lean on.
Posted by: Dumb@ss at 12 February 2006 9:24 PM | Link to comment
i was going to say alot of things but after going thru all the comments, i dont see the point of saying anything anymore.
but one thing for sure, all religions preech love and peace. if anyone is so defensive/protective abt their religion that means they should preech love and peace too. but why aren't they? hmmm...
Posted by: sunny at 12 February 2006 9:41 PM | Link to comment
it's sad. religions are so over-rated and abused.
Posted by: sunny at 12 February 2006 9:44 PM | Link to comment
it isn't so much that the less we know the more morons we produce... but i think the less we are allowed to question and make mistakes to learn... the less we will understand each other... and the less united we shall become...
how then are we to remain a nation united?
how will we fare in the world tomorrow where terror seeks to divide us into infighting factions?
i have to say that i love my country very much... but there's very little of it that i am proud of... that's kinda sad...
Posted by: nesie at 12 February 2006 10:11 PM | Link to comment
Kenny is on the way to become something like Jeff Ooi ;)
Posted by: Apai_Mau at 12 February 2006 10:11 PM | Link to comment
i just don't how the cartoons look like. my government just simply banned it. what's the point huh? you don't let the your people know why muslims are angry over it, yet you let them outrage in the country causing trepidations among your people. Sarawak Tribune did the right thing, it let its readers know the fact.
just wanna say bullshit to the one who decided on banning ST.
Posted by: eric at 12 February 2006 10:38 PM | Link to comment
